Your Business is Talking to You Even While You're Sleeping

Amanda Johnson, the Story Oracle, shares her journey of founding Saved by Story and how entrepreneurs can break free from limiting narratives to achieve greater success and fulfillment. Her insights blend storytelling techniques with entrepreneurial wisdom to help business owners navigate challenges and transform their professional journeys.

• Origin of the Story Oracle brand stemming from Amanda's vision in 2007 to help people tell their stories
• How entrepreneurship functions as a spiritual journey, exposing our strengths and weaknesses
• Breaking free from the "messenger matrix" by creating your own unique business path
• Finding harmony rather than balance between business ambitions and family life
• Identifying and disrupting story loops that keep entrepreneurs stuck in patterns
• Developing character awareness and narrator perspective to rewrite limiting stories
• Embracing uncomfortable emotions as part of the growth process
• Celebrating the discovery of loops as evidence you're already breaking free

Check out savedbystoryhouse.com/foreshadows for free resources on stopping story loops and saving your story, or connect with Amanda at the-story-oracle.com to learn how to apply these concepts in your specific domain.

Chapters

• 0:00 Meet the Story Oracle
• 9:10 The Birth of Saved by Story
• 16:55 Entrepreneurship as a Spiritual Journey
• 27:10 Finding Harmony vs. Balance
• 38:10 Breaking Through Story Loops
• 51:45 Embracing Emotions in Business

Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:00

Welcome to the Elevate Media Podcast with your host, chris Anderson. In this show, chris and his guests will share their knowledge and experience on how to go from zero to successful entrepreneur. They have built their businesses from scratch and are now ready to give back to those who are just starting. Let's get ready to learn, grow and elevate our businesses. And now your host, chris Anderson.

Speaker 2: 0:22

Welcome back to another recording of the Elevate Media Podcast. I'm Chris Anderson, your host Today. We're going to talk about some storytelling, some stories that we have going on our lives, and we've got an expert, the Story Oracle, on the episode today. Super excited to chat with her, Amanda. Welcome to the Elevate Media Podcast today.

Speaker 3: 0:39

Thanks for having me. I'm super excited. I always love talking about story.

Speaker 2: 0:43

Yeah, and we're excited to dive into that. But you know, to get right into it, obviously we'll let you share at the end where people can connect with you. But where did the story Oracle come from? And you know what made you start this.

Speaker 3: 0:55

Yeah, so, um, it's origin story is way back in 2007, when I had the idea to write a few books. It struck me like lightning. I'm going to write these books I'm going to have. I saw all kinds of things that I didn't even expect, like I didn't really have in my awareness, like what was a training company? I didn't really know any of the teachers from the Secret, but I saw myself working with one. It was just this wild moment of seeing the future, and so I started to move forward with that process and I got into a training program. Actually, I met that teacher from the Secret about three months later and I moved into facilitation and I'd had this little editing business on the side.

Speaker 3: 1:38

I was helping people too, especially entrepreneurs. I went to help them write well and they said we don't really want you to teach us how to write well. We need you to fix what we've been writing Websites, manuscripts, these sorts of things. So I had this small editing business and then the idea for my own book, and then I got into this space of facilitating transformation for a few years and I got to do some of my own story work. Really, looking at, I really want to do this thing in the world and I saw it and it was huge and I realized that I had some stories going on that were going to keep me from doing that with a certain amount of integrity and alignment. And so I did that we call it story saving work here to go back and look at what was it that was creating the pain and what power did I have to begin to shift that. So then I started to help people get their books done. I didn't get my book done, surprise. I was like a cobbler without shoes for many years and I helped individuals, you know, write really powerful books and begin to publish them.

Speaker 3: 2:38

And about the time that I started to get a new level of clientele, hybrid publishing came into the world and it was like the wild west. I don't know if you've done any of the publishing there, but it was crazy there for the first few years. And I had the opportunity to help people, you know, after they've been working through all of their stories and getting all the writing done, and so I was helping them self publish and they went to hybrid publish and I got a little peek into that industry and I didn't like it. It was very machine-like, you know, and these people had been doing like every entrepreneur, right, like we're doing it, this mission-based like I have a message that could change the world.

Speaker 3: 3:20

It's such a heart driven thing. And then you find yourself in a system that at every turn, proves that it kind of doesn't care about you. It's hard, and so my son stopped. He stopped me one day in the middle of a massive tantrum and said why don't we just create our own? So Saved by Story is where we do inspiration, impact, helping people writing and publishing the story. Oracle was born because so you know the matrix, right?

Speaker 3: 3:45

It's like one of my favorite movies and my favorite character was the Oracle. Okay, and the reason why I loved her was because she knew stuff but she wouldn't tell you right. She wanted you to figure it out yourself. And am I the one? I don't know, Neo, are you? You know, and having spent the bulk of my education in a Socratic method sort of orientation in a classic books program, I understood the power of questions and not just the power of questions but the importance of people answering their own questions and getting their own answers and living into those answers for themselves.

Speaker 3: 4:21

And so from the beginning, someone would come a new entrepreneur, a new messenger would come and say here's what I'm thinking about writing or what do you think about this. And I would just kind of like see this potential pathway ahead for them. And I realized after the first few times that I shared those, that it wasn't a good idea. I needed to be a little bit more Oracle-like and ask the questions to help them create their own pathway forward. So, yeah, that was kind of the beginning. I got deemed the Oracle early.

Speaker 3: 4:54

And then you know, watching all the narrative medicine happening and seeing people, the healing that can happen for people when they're revisiting stories, storytelling, writing and having it all witnessed in community, I just felt like about two years ago I had a powerful, the most powerful narrative healing I've ever experienced completely changed everything for me and I thought you know, it's time for me to take this to other places. So people come to Save by Story in order to write and publish and save their stories along the way. But story is one of our most innate tools for everything. We use it for everything thinking, problem solving, understanding the world. Why aren't we being more intentional with it as we raise our children, as we support people in mental health? You know?

Speaker 2: 5:46

all of these different places yeah that's really cool. And you mentioned, you know, saving your story. What does that look like for you? I mean, what were some stories that you had to come to reality with to be able to kind of put that out there?

Speaker 3: 5:59

Well, you know, I mean early on as an entrepreneur, like I said, I saw this idea of what could be, if I could paint the picture. I was depressed, disconnected. You know, marriage falling apart couldn't get my career together. It was like a pinball machine. I mean, I was, I'll be a journalist, I'll be an educator, I'll be. I mean, it was all over the place. I just felt like I couldn't get any traction.

Speaker 3: 6:23

And then I was raising this little boy, thinking like what the heck am I doing? How am I going to do this? And then I had that idea and within about 45 minutes it was almost like switching timelines. I don't know if you've studied quantum physics, but it really was like I went from I don't know why I'm here, should I be here too? I know exactly why I'm here, I know exactly what I want to do. And then, at some point within the year of me really being inside of that new magic, it was like the timelines merged and I thought, ooh, I want to hold on to this magic. But I recognize I really need to pay attention to these stories. So, you know, a lot of those stories were around. I hadn't really seen healthy entrepreneurship before. I had seen people in business and I'd heard some pretty bad stories. In fact, our family had been affected by it, and so can it be done with integrity that was one of those stories?

Speaker 3: 7:23

can it be done with integrity? That was one of those stories and, fortunately for me, my first coach broke that story, just correct it until it wasn't true anymore. You know, I just watched her move through the world with such integrity and such grace and such power. I mean, everywhere she went she was creating change and I thought, okay, I see it's possible, right. So first story broken. I don't know if you've experienced this, but I really feel like entrepreneurship is. I've always looked at it as you know, there's motherhood, for, like my spiritual journey, Like I got to stay connected and figure that out and stay intuitive, but for entrepreneurship it's like that too.

Speaker 3: 7:59

Have you experienced that?

Speaker 2: 8:01

Yeah, it's been quite the journey, with a lot of illumination kind of into different aspects of my life, just the world in general, and you know even my worldview and things like that. It's been. Yeah, it's. It's crazy because you know entrepreneurship, those listening starting out you understand like it's not easy. It's a roller coaster. It's going to break you down. It's going to lift you up and say, hey, I got you just kidding and you got to keep moving and and you know navigating that without a map.

Speaker 2: 8:33

Yeah, that's the key. Yeah, you really get exposed to your weaknesses and your strengths a lot more than you would in a regular nine to five, where you kind of are just going through motions.

Speaker 3: 8:44

Mm-hmm, it's so true. Without a map, that's such a good way. And then you get into the world and I always think I call it the messenger matrix, because I'm mostly working with the messenger part of the entrepreneur industry.

Speaker 3: 8:57

But it's kind of like when people sign up and they say this is it, I want to be a messenger, it's almost like a part of their brain starts paying attention to how everyone else does it. Right, and you, you paid like well, how are they? And that's a good thing. Right For us to pay attention. People have gone before us, but then we have this little voice. That's like you have to do it, like that.

Speaker 2: 9:18

Right, and there's so many out there that you're like wait, okay, they're doing it this way.

Speaker 3: 9:25

Sign up for our formula. It'll be a success, and I just love that. You said that, like everyone has their own map, you know, and the map has to be designed around your particular message and mission and values, and then also your priorities, because you know, early on I had a little boy at home and I had an ailing grandmother that I was caregiving. So time to build a business what?

Speaker 2: 9:53

I got two little ones right now and I get it and I'm third on the way.

Speaker 3: 9:57

It's so much work, it's so much time and it's like that spiritual journey, right, Like you're giving everything you know, and then you're like, okay, I need to have some in reserve for all these other really important priorities in my life, these people, and so finding the balance and figuring out how to bring people with you. That was another story that I had to overcome, because a lot of the people that I was watching, I noticed that they didn't have really healthy relationships, you know.

Speaker 3: 10:26

I got some of the behind the scenes and with their partners or their kids or they had health issues.

Speaker 2: 10:33

You know it's crazy. You bring that up because not really crazy, because, like when I first started entrepreneurship so back in 2020, when I quit my job to figure out what business I was going to start, I just did it. It was all about the grind, all about the hustle. You got to go, go, go, go go, and I don't know if it's just where I was going to start. I just did it. It was all about the grind, all about the hustle. You got to go, go, go, go, go, and I don't know if it's just where I was at the time seeing all that. And now it's like, oh, you have to have harmony. You have. You know, make sure you take time for yourself.

Speaker 2: 10:57

And was up till 3 am and it got up at at 7 when the kids woke up. So, like there are seasons where, like there has to be sacrifices along the way and like, kind of to your point, like what are those sacrifices going to be for me? It's not my kids, it's not my, you know, wife. Like those things I I spend the most amount of time with as I can, I also coach soccer, which is like a thing um, yeah, middle school and high school so you don't sleep much at all no.

Speaker 2: 11:35

And then I, yeah, and my kids are young, so like I don't want to miss out as much as I can on those these years I mean one and a half to three years old and so it's like my sleep is what I would rather sacrifice right now in the short term, and it it's different for everybody. You just have to understand what you're willing to sacrifice and why. But yeah, it was. It's just crazy. That's all I saw at the beginning was grind, grind, grind.

Speaker 2: 11:55

Now, you know, have the harmony, you know, take care of yourself, do all this. And it's like I think it's because I'm I'm listening to a lot of people who are way more farther along, who have that luxury now after the work they put in Um long, who have that luxury now after the work they put in um, and so I always remind myself that I'm like they are like chapters and chapters and chapters ahead in their story. I'm gonna get there. But if I did that, I probably want to get there as fast because, like I've got to just put more time into the business and sometimes people who want to start a business they don't realize you know you're quitting a nine to five to do a 24 seven.

Speaker 3: 12:34

Yes, yeah, yeah I mean that thing, business is talking to you while you're sleeping. It's like having another relationship, which is why, you know, that sacrifice thing becomes really scary when you do have a family, because this vision especially when it's like I'm going to change the world, sort of vision, you know it feels really important and it is. And yet having that whole picture view, you know your kids are little and that's a trick, but you know, as they get older, one of the things that I loved was that my son was very entrepreneurial. Like at three and four he was already, he was already gaming the garage sale, you know, like he was like charging a little bit more than I put on the sticker and like he was just this guy beat me at Monopoly when he was four, you know, and he was always curious, like what are you doing? You know, what are you doing on your computer during the day, and so I got to tell him a little bit about it and enroll him in the vision and he was rooting for me and that that mattered a lot, because there were people in my life that didn't believe in me.

Speaker 3: 13:38

There were people in my life who were frustrated about the time that I had to put in and the sacrifices I was making, and it was just so nice to have that one, that one little ally with that voice, and he would have the best ideas. When I was running toward bestseller with my first book, I had this strategy for giving a lot of content in exchange for people purchasing volumes of books sell 50. I almost had to pull the car over on the side of the road. What are you talking?

Speaker 1: 14:09

about.

Speaker 3: 14:15

You could do that. People who know 50 parents like mom organization, and I just met a bunch of them. He coached me through the entire thing. So this idea of I think there are opportunities to not see them as separate chapters I'm not writing this business chapter and this personal life chapter Like this is a whole life and how do I have them understand it and maybe, maybe, not fall in love with it as much as I'm in love with it, but honor it and respect it and like be a cheerleader?

Speaker 2: 14:46

Yeah, and that's why I kind of lean towards that harmony word. I try not to do balance because I mean something weighs more than something else. And maybe that's true, I think. You know, for me family, you know, definitely is super important. But finding that harmony, I think I'm still trying to figure out, especially with you know, entrepreneurship the landscape changes so rapidly in your business. You grow and expand and you know we just built a new office and, you know, brought on a new team member and it's like so how do you, how do you find that harmony again, you know. And then when you have a new kid, it's like okay, now, now you're really not sleeping.

Speaker 2: 15:18

Yeah, exactly, so it's like I'm just prepping for that is what I'm doing right now, but like harmonizing that lifestyle, like making it all part of what you're doing, and like the it is, and like the health is important and so, like that lack of sleep can't go on for a super long period of time, yeah, and so you just have to kind of go with the flow of it. But how did you, you know, kind of going back to your story a little bit, how did you deal with? You had your son, which is great, cheering you on and that's super helpful. How do you deal with the ones that weren't, because that can weigh heavy on you and there's probably people out there listening right now who have nobody even cheering them on. How did you kind of get through that? Or how would you guide someone to do that?

Speaker 3: 16:01

You know, I think there's a few different ways to look at it, a few different angles. The first one is around expectation. You know, businesses are they're not exactly children, but they're kind of like it. They require a whole ton of energy, a lot of sacrifice, no sleep, to your point, right. And if the people in your life don't see the vision like you do because it's just an infant, you know it hasn't really gotten to the point where there are results yet, or it hasn't reached a certain income level where your partner is like, okay, I can get behind this right.

Speaker 3: 16:35

Like. There are all those moments. I think part of it is on us to not hold people to that expectation that, as hard as it is for us to see it, know it, taste it, believe in it, work toward it every day, to keep holding on sometimes. Why do we expect the people that we love and know to do that with us? It's not really reasonable. So part of it is the expectation, and then to the point of talking about it being like a kid sometimes it's not great to share a whole bunch of that upfront right.

Speaker 3: 17:10

Sometimes, if you have unbelievers, people who are traditionally kind of looking at you and thinking I'm not, you know, nothing you've done before is panned out Now you're doing this because blah, blah, blah. Whatever the case may be, why would you even it's like pearls before swine why would you even show this beautiful thing that you're working on to them? Just keep it to yourself and hustle. And then, for the people who are allies and who really do want to be, figure out how to be with you on the journey. I would do like I did with my son figure out ways to bring them in.

Speaker 3: 17:48

You know, when I had events or retreats, I would spend three or four days away from my kid and I.

Speaker 3: 17:54

I didn't love it, but I organized my life so that I could do it close to home and they could come over for meals if they wanted to, right?

Speaker 3: 18:04

So if he missed me or I missed him, bring them over, please, and have let him.

Speaker 3: 18:08

But that also did something else really special. It blended my personal, my professional and not just in my own story and mindset. But actually he got really excited about being part of the community and he would get excited about what everyone else was working on and he was cheering for them, and so you know, if there are ways to let them get a window in, you know, just just peek in or step in a little and feel that excitement and also feel who you are when you're in that mission, right, because you might be a little bit different when you're at home, right, different roles, different. But I think that was really important for my son to see, because our life, our life at home with my grandma, was very different than the life that I was living at work, and so I think that it was really important for him to see me in my superpowers, in my gift, making a difference and then, of course, you know, eventually be like why aren't you that person when you're at home? Yeah, okay.

Speaker 2: 19:15

Another story to work on. Thanks, kid. So how do people start working on these stories? Should they start writing these things down once they come up and like, or how do they realize that they have a story they need to maybe even work through or or bring some light?

Speaker 3: 19:22

to. Well, you know, it kind of feels like a loop right when you wake up to like, why does this keep happening? You know why does why do I still have this character showing up, Like maybe different height, different posture, different whatever, but same old story over. You know, someone treating me like this, someone thinking they can do this Anytime you hear that. That's a clue that you're kind of lost in a story loop.

Speaker 3: 19:49

And one of the things that I, after several years of helping individuals write their stories and develop a few different layers of awareness so that they could do it effectively, I had clients, I had their friends coming to me and saying I don't really want to write my story, Like I'm not interested in writing and publishing, but can you help me with the transformation piece, Like is there a way to do that? And so what I realized was that I could take this awareness building that I had done with them and do just that. So the first stage with anyone who is writing a book to really powerfully connect with the reader is to get connected to the character. So who is this character? What are all of their details? But also get inside the character. What are they feeling? What are they thinking, what are they predicting? And if that's your old story, then that doesn't feel so good in some of those moments, right. But you going back there and staying connected to those emotions, as you know, as an entrepreneur, is the way to connect with an audience that's in pain, right, that is suffering in a similar spot. So they would, you know, dive into one of those moments, thinking why did I hire this chick? And then come back up for air, having survived it? And then it would be looking at how did you move from this moment to that moment? Well, that's more of a narrator perspective, right. It's more above the story, where you're kind of watching all of these moments happen and looking at the patterns and being more able to predict than the character can with the limited amount of information.

Speaker 3: 21:23

So by the time they'd get about 60 to 70% through the writing, they would have this moment where they would call me and they'd say you know, this thing I've been complaining about in every coaching session, like this relationship or this situation that keeps it's on loop and it's interrupting my mission. I'd say yeah, and I said do you think that's because every time in my story that I should say yes, I say no every time in my story that I should say yes, I say no, yeah, maybe, or maybe it's. Is it every time that I should stay in the room and confront someone I run? Perhaps Right, and so they get this opportunity and what that shows me is that they've developed enough character awareness of being in their story. Like I'm paying attention to all the details now, not just when I'm writing, but in my life. While I'm walking through my life I'm thinking who are these characters and what is it? This dialogue is crazy. I'm going to use this in my book, right, it's building that awareness and then having that narrator awareness of being able to kind of watch it from above. So they're feeling and they're watching.

Speaker 3: 22:28

And when you have moments where you can do that, then you can. You have moments of power in your story so you can look at where were the loops. How am I feeling? Am I feeling like the character who, like the tornado, was happening to them constantly and they just feel like a victim of circumstance and they're super in their feels, like, oh right, I don't know what to do. Characters have a lot of power, but they don't have a lot of information. Narrators have a lot of knowledge but no power in the story. And so if you marry those two bits of awareness all of a sudden now you're like okay, I see it. This is the moment where I mess it up. Every time I'm going to try something new. It might not be the right script or behavior in this moment, but I'm going to at least interrupt this freaking loop and see if I can shift it into a new story.

Speaker 2: 23:20

Yeah, what does that when you break that loop? What does that feel or look like for those when they do it?

Speaker 3: 23:26

You're usually really uncomfortable, right, because you're you're. What you realize in those moments is that you're usually really uncomfortable, right, because you're you're. What you realize in those moments is that you're part of the loop, like, oh, this is how I'm keeping it going. Like this is all the stuff that's happening. Imagine you're watching a theater production on stage and those people have practiced all of their lines and all of their movements and holding objects and moving them across this Like it is perfection every time. Well, objects and moving them across this like it is perfection every time. Well, what if one person decides to throw in a different line? Or it's uncomfortable for them because, okay, I've disrupted this, and it's uncomfortable for everyone else because, okay, I've disrupted this, and so I would say it's really uncomfortable. And it's also a little bit exciting, because you're like realizing that you're not taking control, because it's not like resting control from other people, but it's owning your role in the story, like no.

Speaker 3: 24:21

I have agency too. I don't have to play this role anymore. I don't know exactly how to play any other role, but I'm going to try don't know exactly how to play any other role, but I'm gonna try, yeah.

Speaker 2: 24:33

Yeah, I think that's, and with that too, like you are able to see more of your possibility, I think too, because you start to flourish, you start to grow, you start to stretch your capabilities. Yeah, I just popped my head. You talk about acting and plays, I think, and then it popped my head like harry potter and like they had to work at their skills, at their spells, and as they were going, it was uncomfortable and they're, you know, trying to fight the the bad things in the world, and but they weren't perfect already, so they had to adapt and grow. And yeah, just that's kind of how I think we go about our lives is. I see it as like video games too.

Speaker 2: 25:08

You're always leveling up, you're always upgrading your equipment or yourself or your team or your whatever it is your beliefs yeah, your worldview, your world expands as you, you know, go through uncomfortable things or challenges, and I think that's it's kind of like a great imagery to remember is you have to go and break through those constant loops, those constant cycles that are uncomfortable, but that's the only way to get to that next level or to unleash or open up that next ability within yourself. So I like how you put that in line.

Speaker 3: 25:47

I think, too, that it's really important for people to understand that you don't usually run into a loop unless you're already trying to break it.

Speaker 2: 25:55

Hmm, that's good.

Speaker 3: 25:57

Right. If you're just, you know, caught up in the same every day, you can kind of go numb to the loop Right, and you can have moments of thinking, oh, this relationship, or I hate my job, or. But you kind of get stuck in that automatic kind of numb mode to change. You're thinking I'm going to create something like a business, or I'm going to make a difference by writing a book or launching the podcast, and then all of a sudden the loop is like right in your face.

Speaker 2: 26:30

Yeah, I feel like entrepreneurship. You're hitting loop after loop after loop all the time, as you're getting to new levels. What is going on?

Speaker 3: 26:38

So I think, part of it is really learning to celebrate the loop, like celebrate the discovery, because it doesn't actually mean that you are stuck. It means that you've already started to get unstuck and now you're just confronted with the thing that had you stuck, and I just thought that it's funny.

Speaker 2: 26:57

So, like, faith is a big part of my thing and I was just praying the other day like I wanted something to happen. It wasn't going to work out or happen and I was like kind of bummed because I was like, oh, this is going to work out and it didn't work out like I wanted it to. I was like, man, that's a bummer. So I was like just praying about it. I was like, but kind of up against the loop kind of thing and that next one and kind of bouncing back, like, and I think that to kind of like round this out, to like the emotions are okay, like to have the feelings of frustration, of anger, of sadness when things don't go how you want it to or how you think it should, or you're up against a challenge, like cause. Again, we don't see it that much online. Those are normal.

Speaker 3: 27:43

Yes, it is normal. It is not normal for everything.

Speaker 2: 27:47

I have those emotions. Like I was talking to my wife about it, I was like I'm kind of bummed, I'm kind of you know how did this didn't work out like it was supposed to. I said and that's okay. I said but I'm upset, and that's okay, Like I'm just frustrated in this, but it'll pass, and so kind of just sitting in it for a little bit and then, yeah, just bouncing back and keep moving forward.

Speaker 3: 28:11

I think those are the times where, in many cases, what I've seen is that that is the way to rewrite the story. So, if you have, I see this all the time with individuals pushing forward books or businesses where they come up against a challenge, and sometimes it's a behavior, but sometimes it's like a behavior that needs to switch or it's something they need to say differently, but sometimes it's that they just need to feel that crap for the first time in their whole life or since that trauma happened. You know, and sometimes that is the way to unblock, the thing that is stuck is by finally throwing the tantrum. You know, not committing to it being your role or your character in the story, like I'm not going to be this resentful person, but I'm going to give myself a day to freaking tantrum about this because this wasn't right.

Speaker 2: 29:03

This you know and I used to be like I would just keep it all in, like I would just like, no, it's all good, Everything's good, you know, like toxic positivity you hear about and things. I was like no, it's all good, like I'm good, everything's good, and I'm like no, like if I'm, but I'm just going to work through that quicker now and I don't, I won't have these breakdowns of just carrying all this stress or you know, emotional kind of weight, because I'm just going to get rid of it quicker. And so that's been a big change in this journey for me and realizing it's okay now. And that's why I say that, because, like for me, it wasn't okay early on to show that emotion, like to have any of it. It was like nope, good, positive. And I was like no, like I'm pissed, I'm mad, frustrated, but this too will pass, like so.

Speaker 3: 29:49

Absolutely. I think that's super healthy and super important. And, yeah, one of the things that you reminded me of is the book that I coauthored with a bunch of my clients. It's called you Can't Make this Story Up, and I think it would be a good book for your audience to take a peek into, because it is very much about what happens in that creative process when you say I want to do something and you'll watch people hit their story limits personally and professionally, and have to approach it in a completely new way and to start to see how maybe all of those things were happening for them, not to them.

Speaker 2: 30:27

Yes.

Speaker 3: 30:27

It really take them to a better spot.

Speaker 2: 30:29

Absolutely. I love that. Yeah, so definitely, yeah. So you know, that's a great way to kind of segue into the end. Now, amanda, where can people want to get that book? And then where can they connect with you if they want your help and they're like oh yeah, I've got some stories to work through. Yeah, kind of lead us in that direction now.

Speaker 3: 30:43

Sure, yeah. So I would go to savedbystoryhouse, that's the writing and publishing house. If you hit forward slash foreshadows F-O-R-E shadows you'll see a whole bunch of freebies. And because of our conversation today, look for the ones around stopping a story loop and saving your story. That'll help to start to crack those stories open and get them moving. And then the story oracle, the hyphen story hyphen. Oraclecom is where you can reach out to me if you're interested in taking this message into whatever domain you're in, you know, mental health, education, all those different places.

Speaker 2: 31:21

Well, yeah, everyone, make sure you get connected with Amanda. Check out those free resources. We all have stories and we're all, we're all growing and, and you know, breaking through these loops and so, yeah, if that's you right now, if this, if that spoke to you, definitely get connected. But again, amanda, thanks so much for being on the Elevate Media podcast today.

Speaker 3: 31:37

Thank you, such a lovely conversation.

Speaker 2: 31:40

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