From WWII to Wealth

John Brink shares his extraordinary journey from surviving Nazi-occupied Holland as a child to building the largest secondary lumber manufacturer in Canada with just $25.47 and a dream. He reveals how discovering his ADHD later in life helped him reframe what others saw as a limitation into what he now calls his "superpower."

• Surviving in war-torn Holland during Nazi occupation as a child, witnessing Allied bombings and suffering through hunger and cold 
• Arriving in Canada with virtually nothing and working his way up from cleaner to mill superintendent in just 18 months
• Building Brink Forest Products and expanding into four business "silos" including lumber, logistics, real estate, and media
• Discovering his ADHD at age 57 and embracing it as a strength rather than a limitation
• Becoming North America's oldest competitive bodybuilder at 84 while continuing to lead his companies
• Taking a controversial stand against fraudulent industry practices that nearly bankrupted him
• Finding fulfillment through giving back to the community and creating opportunities for others

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Welcome to Elevate Media Podcast

Speaker 1 0:00

Welcome to the Elevate Media Podcast with your host , chris Anderson . In this show , chris and his guests will share their knowledge and experience on how to go from zero to successful entrepreneur . They have built their businesses from scratch and are now ready to give back to those who are just starting . Let's get ready to learn , grow and elevate our businesses . And now your host , chris Anderson .

Speaker 2 0:23

Welcome back to another recording of the Elevate Media Podcast . I am Chris Anderson , your host Today . We're going to get into succeeding against all odds and you're going to hear why we are talking about that in

Introducing John Brink's Extraordinary Journey

Speaker 2 0:37

a little bit . We've got a great guest coming on today , john Brink . He's an extraordinary man who went from war-torn Holland as a child to building the largest secondary lumber manufacturer in Canada , all while living with ADHD and PTSD . And that's just super , super high level of what John has done and the accolades and the experience and the successes he's had in life . So I'm excited to dive into his story more , hear from him , learn from him , and I know you guys are as well . So , john , welcome to the Elevate Media Podcast today . Nice to be here , chris , absolutely Looking forward to chatting with you , excited to dive into your life , your journey and help myself and others listening to this learn from that .

Speaker 2 1:21

I would love to dive in , if you're open to it , kind of at the beginning . So growing up I was a big fan or not a fan , but a big history buff or not buff . Even I really liked World War II and learning about it and things of that nature . So what for you like growing up in that time frame . You know , nazi occupation , holland , like what . Like just kind of help us wrap our head around , like what that would even be like .

Speaker 3 1:50

Yeah , I like that question , Chris , because it's kind of a unique time period for me right now and the next week . Okay , we will . I was born in 1940 , november the 1st 1940 . So I'm 84 and a half years young , I say .

Speaker 3 2:10

And we were liberated on April the 12th 1945 , by the Canadian Army as part of the Allied forces that landed in Normandy June the 2nd 1944 , pushed their way through France , and then the Canadians went north to Belgium , western Holland , and I was born 15 minutes from the border with Germany , in Northeastern Holland , and so that's exactly next week , 80 years ago , and I remember it well , uh , so , uh , and again , to put it into perspective to your viewers , uh , with all due respect that a lot of people that may think that war is , uh , you know once , once the wars are over , things go back to normal . Well , they don't . In a lot of cases it will take generations before they ever do . And how precious it is to live in democratic rule , as we do in North America , in both the United States and in Canada , north America , in both the United States and in Canada , and so for me it's always important to share with them at least part of my history . And the first thing that I remember is you know the Allied bombers bombing the German infrastructure in the northeastern part , northwestern part of Germany that touches on the North Sea , where all the infrastructure , wherever they build the weapons for the war Wilhelmshaven , hamburg , bremen , emden , all those places . We were only 15 minutes from the border . And now my mom and dad were married in 1938 . They were in love and everything was paradise for them .

Speaker 3 4:05

And then out of Hitler , the dictator , decided that Poland should become part of Germany . And then there was a danger , you know , that the rest of Europe would be attacked . And then my dad was drafted into the Dutch army on April of 1940 . And for the last time that they saw him was just before the bombing of Rotterdam . The Adolf Hitler didn't find that Holland capitulated quick enough , so he bombed the center of Rotterdam . That killed thousands of people . That's the last place that somebody saw him . For five years they wouldn't know if he lived or died . And so my mom , on her own she had then two kids was pregnant with me . I was born November , the the first 1940 . But I remember is allied bombers overhead in 1943 , 44 that region , when they were bombing that infrastructure of germany . Hundreds of bombers , hundreds of them

War-Torn Holland: Childhood Under Occupation

Speaker 3 5:16

, and the sound of that , uh , is the sound that I still , even now , still remember as a three year , three and a half year old little kid well , that's what I was gonna ask .

Speaker 2 5:26

Like how did like that ? Immediately my mind went to like , like you being that age , that being that close , like what was the sound like ? What do you ? How do you describe the sound of that happening ?

Speaker 3 5:37

I can't , I will never miss it and I will never hear it again . I know that and I'm a pilot . I was in the Dutch Air Force draft that entered when I was 17 , 18 . But that sound I will never forget again , and my mom would take us out on the flat roof behind the house to look in the distance . We saw the sky was red , from all the cities that were being bombed in the process . And the reason she took us outside she felt safer outside than inside , and so that's why we were there . And there was always anxiety .

Speaker 3 6:14

And so the next thing I remember is that hunger is that in 1944 , hitler decided to cut off all the food supply to Holland and other places and we were without food . And the kids myself , my brother , my sister , the three of us would go every morning with gunny sacks into the railroad yards , pick up anything edible and burnable . And the reason that we did as kids , they wouldn't shoot us , but they would put us one in the back . But then we were back the following morning and then the next one was that the winter of 1944-45 was the coldest on record in Northern Holland , and so I remember sitting in a little room in our house that we could heat only that little room and we sat around there and it was very , very hot close by and very cold . I still remember the cold , the hunger and all of those things . And then we saw far too much in 1945 when the Canadian army started pushing out the German forces . We were 15 minutes from the border , eastern Holland and the north , and they pushed them through . We saw far too much that we should not have seen People being shot , people being dragged out of their houses and never to return . The 12th 1945 , 80 years ago now , that the Canadian forces started liberating our region of Holland , and that made such an impression on me as a little five-year-old that I knew from that point forward I would go to the land of my heroes when I grew up in Canada and I did , and I've been here now in Canada for 60 years and so .

Speaker 3 8:11

But it was the Allied forces , the Americans and the Canadians working and other countries working close together from 1944 forward , when they landed in Normandy on June , the 2nd 1944 , and then it took them till August before they pushed their way through the German forces and they went east and north and the Canadians went north obviously . But to see the Allied forces working together was unique for me and I have always admired the Americans , friends , and the Canadians in North America . How lucky and how fortunate we are . And obviously what happened after that is that a lot of Europe was destroyed . It's again the Americans taking the lead and the Marshall Plan in 1947 , rebuilding Western Europe together , again working also closely with Canadians and other countries , but the Americans took the lead . That's the example of freedom and democratic rule . And so , versus bureaucracies or dictatorships , there was a fear in Holland in particular , but Western Europe , that the Russians would come in and take over . A lot of them left and emigrated to the United States or Canada right after the war and so , and then the Marshall Plan and then from there on in . But they admired and I still do today is that the United States , canada and other countries' democratic rule is precious , delicate but so precious . And what I like about the United States is the constitution that protects everybody from dictatorships , or supposed to be , and it starts there with we , the people , and so that's where the strength is , and so that's kind of what happened to me .

Speaker 3 10:23

I came to Canada , started with nothing a suitcase , three books , two sets of clothes , and I had very little money . But I wanted to build a lumber mill and so I landed in Vancouver and I knew all the trees were in British Columbia and so I went to the immigration department there in 1965 , july 1965 . Could speak the language , didn't know , so didn't have a job . At the immigration department there was a German fellow . I could speak some German . I said I want to build a lumber mill . He said go to Prince George , that is 500 miles north of Vancouver or 800 kilometers for European trends . And I came off the bus there with my suitcase , three books , two sets of clothes . I counted my money at least three times I had $25.47 .

Speaker 3 11:15

But attitude I'm always positive , always happy . I avoid negative Passion , whatever I do , I give it 125% Work ethic . I work harder , I do it . I give it 125% work ethic . I work harder , even still now , than anybody . And so , and

Coming to Canada with $25.47

Speaker 3 11:31

I always get up at 5.30 in the morning , even now , and I always make my bed and I always think I'm late , and so that's what I do . And so , yes , I did get my meal in 6 , 7 , 8 , 9 , 10 other companies . But it's not about that , it's not about money , but so opportunity and being here in North America and the opportunities that we have . I fly around a lot in North America . I do a lot of business in the United States , usually sit always by the window in a commercial flights and as I sit there , I look outside as I go through North America , canada and the United States and I say it's paradise . It is paradise . We are so lucky and so fortunate . So that's kind of where I am .

Speaker 3 12:22

And today 84 and a half . I'm very active and you know and staying physically fit . This is my last book Living Young , dying Old . I'm the oldest competitive bodybuilder in North America .

Speaker 2 12:38

Wow .

Speaker 3 12:39

At 84 and a half qualified for the Arnolds and again to compete in the Arnolds again in 1926 .

Speaker 2 12:51

That's amazing . So where would you say , all that drive , that determination , that mindset comes from ? Is it you were just born with it ? Is it the experience you had as a young kid ? Or is it something you've learned along the way that other people could learn as well to have ?

Speaker 3 13:09

The foundation for me has always been attitude , passion , work , ethic . That's what it has to be . The other part to me , which is very , very important you relate to already indicated it is that , fairly , it was not until 1997 that I picked up a book in a store here , and the title of the book that I picked up I've already been here for 32 years , I was quite successful picked up , I've already been here for 32 years , I was quite successful and Driven to Destruction was the title of the book written by Dr Holywell . And as I picked up the book I don't know why , and the more I looked at the book , it's about ADHD and I said , oh my God , that's me . And so , and academically , I was not a successful story . I failed grade three . I failed grade seven three times .

Speaker 3 14:03

So then people said to my parents , what are you going to do with this guy ? And then , and some people said , send him to the mentally challenged school . They said , no , we're not going to do that . So teach him a trade so he can work with his hands , you know , because he's not bright enough , obviously , or something you know so to be in school . So that's what I did .

Speaker 3 14:23

I became a furniture maker at 12 and a half years old . But I always knew that I was just as smart as anybody else Not better than , but just smart . But I had to start anew again and that gave me the opportunity to do that when I left Holland with virtually nothing in 1965 to prove to me that I could do it , and you know , but ADHD became a big part of my life . Then in 1997 , I picked up this book written by Dr Holywell about ADHD and I said it's a superpower , yeah , and that kind of . Where does the energy come from ? Partially from that . The other one mindset , passion , work , ethic , and every day is a great day . And then I try to stay fit and healthy . My diet , exercise , sleep all those basic elements are critically important .

Speaker 2 15:23

Yeah , I agree , I think those are . I mean we just talked about in our team meeting today was you know , the words we say to ourselves are super important too , and having that positive attitude and speaking you know good about yourself and what you're doing carries some weight and so I like having that part of it and staying fit and taking care of yourself . But you said ADHD , your superpower , right . Explain that . How did you go from figuring out , oh that's me , I have ADHD to seeing it as a superpower , because some people are like , oh sorry , I have ADHD , it's a bad thing . How did you kind of shift that mindset there ?

Speaker 3 16:01

I always knew I was different , right even from the time that , uh , you know that I failed school , which was not easy . So looking back at me , uh , uh , obviously , uh , the warriors and pgsd was a very important part of my life still is today . The other one is the inner child . The fear of losing the only parent that we had during the war years always remained part of me . Got counseling for that when I was 50 years old , actually very emotional , but even then , going to Canada , I became very quickly , very successful , though I couldn't speak the language , started as a cleaner man very quickly . I was a foreman , then a lumber pilot , then the green chain foreman and then a mill foreman and within a year and a half it was a superintendent of one of the biggest sawmills here in northern britain , columbia , and and so and and so I did that . That didn't go quick enough for me . So because I wanted to have a mill , so within 10 years I started this company now 60 years ago , bring forest products . That is now part of the brain group of companies 10 other companies and so I've always been active .

Speaker 3 17:18

I enjoy life Every day . To me is precious likely because of what I've seen during the war years . The other part has always been part of me is that it took time for me to figure out who am I , and it was not until I discovered the book Driven to Distraction by Dr Holywell . Dr Holywell has written 18 books actually , five of them on distraction . He is ADHD and has dyslexia . So do I . And so , uh , actually I do a podcast on the brink and it's my podcast number 203 with dr hollywell that wrote the book . Uh , uh , you know against , uh , you know the difference with distraction

ADHD as a Superpower

Speaker 3 18:13

in 1993 . I bought it in january 1997 . I still have it in my studio . I'm sure it is that that changed my life . And Dr Holywell , amazing , amazing . And if the frequency of occurrence much higher than I initially thought I may be around 8% the more I heard about ADHD , what it would be , as in my interview with Dr Halliwell , I said it's probably around 20% . He said no , john , it's more than 25% . I agree with him , and both male and female , although females will portray it differently than males , but globally that's what it is . The other thing that I have found being successful in businesses involved in a lot of companies , a lot of boards , and on and on and on . I got to know a lot of entrepreneurs , successful people , that of the successful entrepreneurs and the operative is successful that 50% of them are ADHD . He said , no , john , 75% . I agree with him , and so you know . So that became a big , big part of my life .

Speaker 3 19:33

And then the other part , a big part of my life is communication skills .

Speaker 3 19:38

I was not good at that either I was self-confident about you know the feeling intimidated , or you know , a lot of times I was okay , interacting in my own companies but not outside of it , interacting in my own companies but not outside of it . And then somebody , an ex-sister-in-law , said to me hey , john , I want you to go with me to Toastmasters . I said Toastmasters , what is it all about ? Well , it develops communication skills . And I said are you going to ask me any questions ? She said , no , just go down and sit down there and listen to what they do .

Speaker 3 20:16

And halfway through the meeting somebody said hey , john , tell us all about you . I said , no , I'm not going to tell you . But I stayed for 10 years and it changed my life and I wrote a book about that as well . That's coming out in June . That's my fifth book and I'm working also on the sixth , the title of that one is this one All About Communication Skills , all those people that are successful , but drives them in a lot of cases is the communication skills and the ability to interact , articulate their thoughts carefully and , first and foremost , become good listeners .

Speaker 2 20:57

So if someone's out there and they're trying to become a better listener , a better communicator , what are some things they could do ? Right now Maybe they're not in Toastmasters . What could they do to start improving those communication and listening skills ?

Speaker 3 21:14

It's a good question , chris . The first thing that I say is you have to develop confidence and you have to become a good listener . And then a lot of people think about Toastmasters is that it's all about speaking . It isn't . It's about listening first and then in prompt to speaking or articulating questions or making a point critically important . That's what Toastmasters does and some other organizations . But Toastmasters , for me , became very , very important because I was there for 10 years and I went to the highest level in Toastmasters , which is a DTM Distinguished Toastmaster , and it changed my life and I believe that in a lot of the success in my life , both in business as well as in podcasting , as well as as a writer , I became a good communicator and that is very , very important . But the , for me , the biggest challenge was to figure out who am I , why am I different , and it was not until I recognized adhd as being a critical part of that and I .

Speaker 2 22:36

I think figuring yourself out , like knowing yourself , is huge on your journey as an entrepreneur , but , like for you , for instance , I mean you moved to Canada $25 , a little over $25 in your pocket . Can't speak the language , so not a good communicator at the time , but yet you still were able to start your mill and become successful . What , what things ? Or you know , is it just you , or what are some some things ? You did , actions that others could maybe follow , that helped you become successful despite all those odds .

Speaker 3 23:07

I like that question as well , because I wrote a book about that . I feel that I have to share my experience , not saying

Finding Your Passion, Living Your Dream

Speaker 3 23:16

hurrah , hurrah how successful John is , but all the challenges along the way . That's why I wrote Against All Odds it's all about not about successful John is , but all the challenges along the way . Then the other one that I found was important to me is that I think I heard it on a US radio station that they said that 75% of the people that work in the United States and I think Canada is the same 75% of the people don't like their jobs and probably 70% or 75% are looking for another job . And then I do a lot of presenting to younger people in uh university , uh high schools , uh colleges , universities and and so and but one of my points is that find your passion as find something that you like to do . Say example , if you like to be a truck driver , talk . Talk to truck drivers . Find out what do they do , how does it work . Do they want to own the truck ? Talk to somebody that does that . Or do they want to own more than an entrepreneur ? Find out what they do . You want to be a builder or a contractor ? Find out . If you want to build houses or buildings , whatever you do , talk to somebody that does that as to what are the advantages , what are the disadvantages or you want to be a lawyer , or you want to be a doc , or you want to be an entrepreneur or all those things , Because most of your life you will spend in jobs that it makes it such a huge difference . If you like what you're doing , then that becomes critical , because if you don't , you take it home with you and it becomes part of you . So I wrote a book about that Finding your Passion , living the Dream and I started working .

Speaker 3 25:15

I left school and a lot of people say to me that I failed grade seven three times and I left school at 12 and a half years old . Now , tone and cheek a little bit . People say to me sometimes are you still feeling bad about that , that you left school at 12 and a half and only grade seven ? I say I do . I still do very much feel bad about it . I should have left earlier . But the point that I'm making is that it becomes so critically important that the sooner you have a direction and that's what I had .

Speaker 3 25:50

My grandfather was a master carpenter . My dad worked in lumber and then I started at 12 and a half years old working in a furniture factory . All those things helped me , and then I had always an interest in finding out what made successful people tick . So I would go all over the place to find people that made presentations , talk to people about what made them successful , and so uh . So , therefore , the question could be that I started working with us twelve and a half . I'm now eighty four and a half , so for the last seventy two and a half years that I've been working is saying did you find your passion , john ? Yes , I did . And are you living the dream , john , every single day ?

Speaker 2 26:36

yeah , and so , and that part is important- yeah , and I love that , and I think it's important to find that passion . But I think it's also important that people realize that even though you find that passion and you're following that passion , it doesn't mean it's going to be easy , it doesn't mean it's going to have rough days . It's not just going to be all sunshine and rainbows when , when you find that and and so it's a good thing . Yeah .

Speaker 3 27:00

And that's a good thing , because if you don't fall down . If you don't , that part makes you strong .

Speaker 2 27:08

A hundred percent and I think you know a little bit of that too is it makes you stretch . Taking those risks make you stretch as a person and improve . And I mean you've taken risks , you know your whole life , you know moving out of Holland for one , I mean the risk of just living when you're a kid . Surviving was the risk , but like moving to Canada and all that like so during your journey , what would you say ?

Speaker 3 27:30

Yeah , exactly .

Speaker 2 27:33

So what would you say ? Your biggest risk has been and I know there's so many , but is there one that kind of sticks out in your mind Like that was a huge risk ? And what was that like ?

Speaker 3 27:45

That's a very , very good question . Probably , yeah , I don't know . They were all in a way . So even today , we're negotiating on making some very , very big deals . We have four silos . One silo is lumber manufacturing . Well , that's a real challenge because , of all due respect to our friend the president of the United States , we don't know what will happen . He put us out of business , so that's how serious it is , right , but I'm still excited about that part . I've been doing it for 60 years .

Speaker 3 28:20

The other company that I have is warehousing , distribution and logistics . That is a successful company . The other silo is real estate residential , commercial and industrial very , very active . All those companies will double or triple in growth in spite of all of that , in my mind , as we go forward . And then the fourth one is media , and so I'm very , very active in media . My podcasting very active , uh , be top one percent globally . I've done about 400 uh uh podcasts where I am the uh uh , the uh , the actor , and then , uh , you know the . And then another 250 where I'm the guest , I , we are approaching a million subscribers , so lots of activity there . And then you know . So all of those combined are exciting and keep me very , very active very , very busy .

Speaker 2 29:27

Absolutely so . With taking these risks and starting these businesses , sometimes you have to kind of lean into what you believe in and challenge some norms that are out there in the world . Have you come across that where you've had to challenge some of the norms in your industries and maybe shake things up or just stick to your guns , kind of , as they would say ?

Speaker 3 29:51

Oh yeah , and I'm glad you asked me that question because I have had it several times . I'm controversial , different than most other ones are , I believe , in Canada , in North America , and the forest industry has always been a challenge . I'm different . I want to add more social and economic value to the resource . I grew up in the lumber industry in Holland , where you don't even dare to step on a piece of lumber even if it is a trim block . And so now what we are doing we , particularly one of the largest secondary manufacturers in Canada that's what we do add more value to that precious resource that we have .

Speaker 3 30:41

And that has been controversial . I was involved in one lawsuit and , if you ask me about it , that put me nearly out of business . Where I took on , there were fraudulent grading rules by lumber manufacturers . Actually , I thought it was local and then it was regional , then it was the province of British Columbia , then it was Canada and it was all the way in the United States as well , and it cost me virtually everything that I have , but I won the case . It is just like Chris was a very , very nice guy , very good guy . He walked across the street on green and he got run over by a car . Yeah , so I was right and all the other things , but it nearly put me out of business . So I've been always somewhat controversial , have differences of opinion , but I will say , stay the course , and so that has been probably challenges , even still today yeah , what would you say your proudest moment has been then ?

Speaker 2 31:41

I mean , you've stood up for things like that . What has been kind of the you're like I'm super glad I did that , like I'm proud that I did that about my kids for one , obviously , grandkids , and then you know .

Speaker 3 31:55

And then I learned to give back to the community and I grew up that way . I've always done that . I've always tried to be helpful to others that have challenges , and I believe in the lumber industry and creating skill sets , the College of New Caledonia here

Giving Back and Looking Forward

Speaker 3 32:17

I helped them with building the Trade and Technology Center . They had my name on it , so I'm proud of that and I've been recognized for a number of things , but that's not what I'm looking for . But being part of the culture , part of communities , to me has always been the most important . It's not making money or having a lot of money . I don't need a lot of money . No matter what I do , I always remember that I still have laying on the side $20.45 , $ , know . So those are the things that to me are the most important . It's giving back to the community , stay active , be able to look in the mirror and saying , okay , I think I did right . Not wealthy , that's not important , and you know . So those are the things that are important .

Speaker 2 33:12

I like that . I think , yeah , being able to look at yourself in the mirror and say like I did the right thing , no matter what Correct , and uh , I think that's huge . So , um , like just kind of round things out with like some kind of rapid fire sort of questions . You know , uh , as a leader , what would you say is the most important quality to have ? Honesty credibility giving back . How do you get that credibility as a leader ? How do you build that ?

Speaker 3 33:42

I was born like that . That's always been important to me . It was my parents , my grandparents .

Speaker 2 33:51

That's what they stood for .

Speaker 3 33:53

I like that , I like that so what's the biggest misconception people have about success ? A lot of people think that successful people , what they do is usually be busy planning holidays and bringing money to the bank . The misconception is that I suggest entrepreneurship and business and entrepreneurship very , very rewarding at times , but the cost can be very , very high and it wasn't my life to you know , to the people around you .

Speaker 2 34:29

Yeah , for sure .

Speaker 3 34:31

Yeah , there's always a give and take on things right .

Speaker 2 34:33

You have the sacrifice and and things like that . So what would your advice be to someone who's younger maybe my age or younger who's uh who might be feeling like they're failing right now at building a business or succeeding in life ?

Speaker 3 34:48

Look at yourself in the mirror and say and I find , with young people in particular , they always find this is wrong and that is wrong with me and this is wrong with me . Look in the mirror , there's only one of you , only one on this whole entire world , only one like you , and be at peace with who you are . Not saying special , but be at peace with that , not saying special , but be at peace with that . And then the other one is that work hard , attitude , passion , work , ethic , but will follow a success . And then that part those parts are very , very important and credibility critically important .

Speaker 2 35:28

Love that answer . And then the last one , john ,

Final Thoughts and Rapid-Fire Wisdom

Speaker 2 35:31

if today was your last day , everything you did was gone . Nothing would be remembered none of your books , none of your businesses , nothing . But you could pick one thing that would be remembered out of everything . What would you pick to have as your memory going forward ? He gave back .

Speaker 2 35:54

I like it . That's awesome . He gave back . I like it . That's awesome , he gave back . That's a great thing to be known for . For sure , I love that answer . So , john , this has been fantastic . Thank you for being on and sharing everything you've done , your insights , your story . If people want to connect with you , obviously you have all your books . Where's the best place people can get connected from or with you , to learn more from you , john ?

Speaker 3 36:17

a as in adam r aaron's brink brinkcom awesome .

Speaker 2 36:25

Yeah , so everyone , make sure you go check out john's stuff , uh , to get a couple of his books , if not all of them , and then just dive into learning from him . So much experience and such a worldview there . So again , john , thank you again so much for being on the LV Media Podcast today .

Speaker 3 36:40

Thanks , chris , my pleasure .

Speaker 2 36:41

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Speaker 1 37:13

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